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	<title>Comments on: Friday Happy Hour: Lady Gaga Owns Your Photos &amp; More</title>
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		<title>By: Misery</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoshelter.com/2012/02/friday-happy-hour-lady-gaga-owns-your-photos-more/#comment-65452</link>
		<dc:creator>Misery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Felix wrote, &quot;Don’t think it’s a big deal. Other artists and bands don’t allow dslr’s in concert arenas at all!!!&quot;

The photo release applies to photojournalists who are accredited (by PR, management or record label) to shoot the concert for a media outlet or agency, not audience members  who try to walk into the venue with a camera. 

Being allowed into a venue with a DSLR =\= compensation for professional services and transfer of copyright, including loss of future income via licensing for the rest of the photographer&#039;s life +70.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Felix wrote, &#8220;Don’t think it’s a big deal. Other artists and bands don’t allow dslr’s in concert arenas at all!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>The photo release applies to photojournalists who are accredited (by PR, management or record label) to shoot the concert for a media outlet or agency, not audience members  who try to walk into the venue with a camera. </p>
<p>Being allowed into a venue with a DSLR =\= compensation for professional services and transfer of copyright, including loss of future income via licensing for the rest of the photographer&#8217;s life +70.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Stewart</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoshelter.com/2012/02/friday-happy-hour-lady-gaga-owns-your-photos-more/#comment-64914</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lady Who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lady Who?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul R. Giunta</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoshelter.com/2012/02/friday-happy-hour-lady-gaga-owns-your-photos-more/#comment-63965</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul R. Giunta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 16:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a concert photographer I absolutely refuse to sign these.  Why would I go work for an artist like this for free?  Releases like this are common and range from small bands to acts like Gaga and some cases when dealing with the publicists they can be waved depending on who you are shooting for,  If they cannot, you just need to walk away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a concert photographer I absolutely refuse to sign these.  Why would I go work for an artist like this for free?  Releases like this are common and range from small bands to acts like Gaga and some cases when dealing with the publicists they can be waved depending on who you are shooting for,  If they cannot, you just need to walk away.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Murabayashi</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoshelter.com/2012/02/friday-happy-hour-lady-gaga-owns-your-photos-more/#comment-63521</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Murabayashi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@steve, thanks for the wishes of good luck. and thanks for all your help to promote education within the photo industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@steve, thanks for the wishes of good luck. and thanks for all your help to promote education within the photo industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoshelter.com/2012/02/friday-happy-hour-lady-gaga-owns-your-photos-more/#comment-63517</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t think it&#039;s a big deal. Other artists and bands don&#039;t allow dslr&#039;s in concert arenas at all!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a big deal. Other artists and bands don&#8217;t allow dslr&#8217;s in concert arenas at all!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Dolson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Dolson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lauren is part of the marketing team at PhotoShelter.&quot;   Good luck, PhotoShelter! If she pass a year-old story for news, gods know what she must be doing in &#039;marketing&#039;...

&quot;She claims to make the best Oreo cheesecake around.&quot; That I believe. Cheesy is her department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lauren is part of the marketing team at PhotoShelter.&#8221;   Good luck, PhotoShelter! If she pass a year-old story for news, gods know what she must be doing in &#8216;marketing&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;She claims to make the best Oreo cheesecake around.&#8221; That I believe. Cheesy is her department.</p>
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		<title>By: Luiz Rampelotto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luiz Rampelotto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lady Gaga photo release!!! Professional red carpet images starting at $1 at Crestock.. Whats Next? Work one day a WK for Getty for free!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lady Gaga photo release!!! Professional red carpet images starting at $1 at Crestock.. Whats Next? Work one day a WK for Getty for free!!</p>
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		<title>By: Misery</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoshelter.com/2012/02/friday-happy-hour-lady-gaga-owns-your-photos-more/#comment-63280</link>
		<dc:creator>Misery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many cases with rights grabbing photo releases, it&#039;s the record label or management trying to squeeze out any bit of potential income from any media possible (in the same vein as music videos now being seen as a product people need to pay for, rather than advertising for the artist&#039;s album/tour), combined with a gross misunderstanding of how much photographers actually make (don&#039;t make) shooting concert images. I&#039;ve known bands who had exactly the same release Foo Fighters requires (FF, the Beastie Boys and other notorious examples had the same management and PR firm) but had no knowledge whatsoever of that release being used (and they immediately made it disappear when they found out it existed, via unhappy photographer friends)

The head of that PR firm dropped into a concert photographer&#039;s group discussion  2 years back and claimed the release was in place so the artist wouldn&#039;t be extorted by some evil photog who expected to be paid for using his images. 

He stated, &quot;in the cases of my artists who make &quot;rights grabs,&quot; they are often people who have been charged exorbitant amounts of money to buy their own images for box sets, merchandise, etc. so it is a two edged sword. think about how you&#039;d feel: you give someone a free ticket, a photo pass, and 10-15 years later when you&#039;re putting your box set together that same person is extorting you for $50K for a rare image of your dead friend.

i realize this is a forum for amateurs and n00bs so this probably won&#039;t get any sympathy. you&#039;ll probably mostly think &quot;well those guys are loaded and we&#039;re struggling geniuses&quot; so you&#039;re the ones who are being wronged.&quot;

(I don&#039;t know what or how many music photographers he thinks get $50,000 for one photo unless he&#039;s conflating us with paparazzi and thinks [any] bands are as in demand as Brangelina). 

Key words there aside from the put downs are &quot;buy their own images&quot; and likening a &quot;free ticket [and] a photo pass&quot; as sufficient payment for professional services and intellectual property rights... because apparently allowing you the experience of shooting their artist is payment enough, and rights of publicity are exactly the same thing as copyright. -__-

Not to single him out, as discussions in the UK between photographers and agencies like David Redfern and music industry labels and managers have also demonstrated that the contracts are there to try to hold on to any potential media income while the entire music industry adapts to digital distribution and a trickle of album sales, instead of prior big releases of physical cds/albums (while facing loss of income from torrent sites), because they think photographers are getting paid ~vastly~ more than we actually are, and also want to protect their artists rights of publicity etc in the cases of bootleg merchandise. 

Except, it&#039;s unlikely bootleg merch originates from photographers who get photo passes and shoot on assignment... it&#039;s from the 100,000 fans with point and shoots in the audience, or people who steal images from photographer&#039;s portfolio sites or agencies (at any time, you&#039;ll find Getty Images photos being sold on Ebay from someone who lifted them online, and I&#039;ve had images taken from my account here)

Then you go to shoot huge artists like Metallica, Madonna, and Bruce Springsteen and there&#039;re no photo releases required...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many cases with rights grabbing photo releases, it&#8217;s the record label or management trying to squeeze out any bit of potential income from any media possible (in the same vein as music videos now being seen as a product people need to pay for, rather than advertising for the artist&#8217;s album/tour), combined with a gross misunderstanding of how much photographers actually make (don&#8217;t make) shooting concert images. I&#8217;ve known bands who had exactly the same release Foo Fighters requires (FF, the Beastie Boys and other notorious examples had the same management and PR firm) but had no knowledge whatsoever of that release being used (and they immediately made it disappear when they found out it existed, via unhappy photographer friends)</p>
<p>The head of that PR firm dropped into a concert photographer&#8217;s group discussion  2 years back and claimed the release was in place so the artist wouldn&#8217;t be extorted by some evil photog who expected to be paid for using his images. </p>
<p>He stated, &#8220;in the cases of my artists who make &#8220;rights grabs,&#8221; they are often people who have been charged exorbitant amounts of money to buy their own images for box sets, merchandise, etc. so it is a two edged sword. think about how you&#8217;d feel: you give someone a free ticket, a photo pass, and 10-15 years later when you&#8217;re putting your box set together that same person is extorting you for $50K for a rare image of your dead friend.</p>
<p>i realize this is a forum for amateurs and n00bs so this probably won&#8217;t get any sympathy. you&#8217;ll probably mostly think &#8220;well those guys are loaded and we&#8217;re struggling geniuses&#8221; so you&#8217;re the ones who are being wronged.&#8221;</p>
<p>(I don&#8217;t know what or how many music photographers he thinks get $50,000 for one photo unless he&#8217;s conflating us with paparazzi and thinks [any] bands are as in demand as Brangelina). </p>
<p>Key words there aside from the put downs are &#8220;buy their own images&#8221; and likening a &#8220;free ticket [and] a photo pass&#8221; as sufficient payment for professional services and intellectual property rights&#8230; because apparently allowing you the experience of shooting their artist is payment enough, and rights of publicity are exactly the same thing as copyright. -__-</p>
<p>Not to single him out, as discussions in the UK between photographers and agencies like David Redfern and music industry labels and managers have also demonstrated that the contracts are there to try to hold on to any potential media income while the entire music industry adapts to digital distribution and a trickle of album sales, instead of prior big releases of physical cds/albums (while facing loss of income from torrent sites), because they think photographers are getting paid ~vastly~ more than we actually are, and also want to protect their artists rights of publicity etc in the cases of bootleg merchandise. </p>
<p>Except, it&#8217;s unlikely bootleg merch originates from photographers who get photo passes and shoot on assignment&#8230; it&#8217;s from the 100,000 fans with point and shoots in the audience, or people who steal images from photographer&#8217;s portfolio sites or agencies (at any time, you&#8217;ll find Getty Images photos being sold on Ebay from someone who lifted them online, and I&#8217;ve had images taken from my account here)</p>
<p>Then you go to shoot huge artists like Metallica, Madonna, and Bruce Springsteen and there&#8217;re no photo releases required&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KG</title>
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		<dc:creator>KG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you guys are talking about the Lady Gaga photo release, but that TBD story was from March 2011, not last week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you guys are talking about the Lady Gaga photo release, but that TBD story was from March 2011, not last week.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Craig</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoshelter.com/2012/02/friday-happy-hour-lady-gaga-owns-your-photos-more/#comment-63218</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is the weak Copyright laws which allows this kind of License hijacking. For example;, the copyright law in France clearly forbids any kind of usurpation of the photographers work.  No matter what.  No contract, even signed, can ever cancel this law.  it is called the Droits d&#039;Auteur, and hijackers, counterfeiters and other thieves hate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is the weak Copyright laws which allows this kind of License hijacking. For example;, the copyright law in France clearly forbids any kind of usurpation of the photographers work.  No matter what.  No contract, even signed, can ever cancel this law.  it is called the Droits d&#8217;Auteur, and hijackers, counterfeiters and other thieves hate it.</p>
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